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i've just had a read of this
what an absolute sham of a system - player A gets banned for an indiscretion, then a longer ban for his next, and again, and again, and again. How have the clubs agreed to such a system, as we'll never have any players on the pitch for us all to watch or may as well start playing touch rugby
"Once a player receives a certain amount of points then the respective punishment will be handed down. Bans start being enforced after six or more points on the system and cap out at a twelve-match ban for 54 or more points.
The points tariff is as follows:
– 0-2 No further action
– 3-5 Fine
– 6-8 1 match suspension
– 9-11 1 match suspension and a fine
– 12-14 2 match suspension
– 15-17 2 match suspension and a fine
– 18-20 3 match suspension
– 21-23 3 match suspension and a fine
– 24-26 4 match suspension
– 27-29 4 match suspension and a fine
– 30-32 5 match suspension
– 33-35 5 match suspension and a fine
– 36-38 6 match suspension and a fine
– 39-41 7 match suspension and a fine
– 42-44 8 match suspension and a fine
– 45-47 9 match suspension and a fine
– 48-50 10 match suspension and a fine
– 51-53 11 match suspension and a fine
– 54 + 12 match suspension plus and a fine
It’s important to note that points do not reset after a ban has been served so for example, if a player hits 26 points, they will serve a four-match ban. Upon returning to play, if they are charged with a Grade C offence (worth five points) then that takes them to a five-match ban automatically."
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i've just had a read of this
what an absolute sham of a system - player A gets banned for an indiscretion, then a longer ban for his next, and again, and again, and again. How have the clubs agreed to such a system, as we'll never have any players on the pitch for us all to watch or may as well start playing touch rugby
"Once a player receives a certain amount of points then the respective punishment will be handed down. Bans start being enforced after six or more points on the system and cap out at a twelve-match ban for 54 or more points.
The points tariff is as follows:
– 0-2 No further action
– 3-5 Fine
– 6-8 1 match suspension
– 9-11 1 match suspension and a fine
– 12-14 2 match suspension
– 15-17 2 match suspension and a fine
– 18-20 3 match suspension
– 21-23 3 match suspension and a fine
– 24-26 4 match suspension
– 27-29 4 match suspension and a fine
– 30-32 5 match suspension
– 33-35 5 match suspension and a fine
– 36-38 6 match suspension and a fine
– 39-41 7 match suspension and a fine
– 42-44 8 match suspension and a fine
– 45-47 9 match suspension and a fine
– 48-50 10 match suspension and a fine
– 51-53 11 match suspension and a fine
– 54 + 12 match suspension plus and a fine
It’s important to note that points do not reset after a ban has been served so for example, if a player hits 26 points, they will serve a four-match ban. Upon returning to play, if they are charged with a Grade C offence (worth five points) then that takes them to a five-match ban automatically."
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Did they ever give confirmation on what happens to last year's charges? Other than those being carried forward, I don't mind it because it'll give people making mistakes some leeway initially but it's hard to give a final opinion on it until we see how it plays out over the next 12-18 months.
It is going to catch out repeat offenders and as the season plays out and that's up to them to do better. I look at Keighran on Thursday and he's got away with one for now but he can't keep having these brain fades. His indiscretions have no excuses and are just a bit dense/childish.
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He has past form in getting carded for needless incidents like that. Not only did he get 10 mins he relived pressure right on their line when we could potentially have forced an error.
I Peet had a word with him last season and it looks like he has again already.
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Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"Did they ever give confirmation on what happens to last year's charges? Other than those being carried forward, I don't mind it because it'll give people making mistakes some leeway initially but it's hard to give a final opinion on it until we see how it plays out over the next 12-18 months.
It is going to catch out repeat offenders and as the season plays out and that's up to them to do better. I look at Keighran on Thursday and he's got away with one for now but he can't keep having these brain fades. His indiscretions have no excuses and are just a bit dense/childish.'"
i think they have dropped last year's charges, but i havent seen anything from the RFL, was from another poster on here earlier this week, and just read another article which suggests the same
https://www.alloutrugbyleague.co.uk/new ... tem-966056
This seems to explain things better, and in more detail than the 1st article i read, including a 2 point drop if a player is sent off and also after a ban, so slightly better than the 1st article explanation
i suppose, if someone is all low level offences, then sooner or later they are going to get a ban, where under the old system they may have gotten away with nothing, but equally i dont agree with copping a ban, and then following another indiscretion receiving a bigger ban (unless it really warrants it) |
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Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"Did they ever give confirmation on what happens to last year's charges? Other than those being carried forward, I don't mind it because it'll give people making mistakes some leeway initially but it's hard to give a final opinion on it until we see how it plays out over the next 12-18 months.
It is going to catch out repeat offenders and as the season plays out and that's up to them to do better. I look at Keighran on Thursday and he's got away with one for now but he can't keep having these brain fades. His indiscretions have no excuses and are just a bit dense/childish.'"
i think they have dropped last year's charges, but i havent seen anything from the RFL, was from another poster on here earlier this week, and just read another article which suggests the same
https://www.alloutrugbyleague.co.uk/new ... tem-966056
This seems to explain things better, and in more detail than the 1st article i read, including a 2 point drop if a player is sent off and also after a ban, so slightly better than the 1st article explanation
i suppose, if someone is all low level offences, then sooner or later they are going to get a ban, where under the old system they may have gotten away with nothing, but equally i dont agree with copping a ban, and then following another indiscretion receiving a bigger ban (unless it really warrants it) | |
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I would like to see points slowly come off a players record over the course of the season/year, it seems harsh that a player may get 5 points in the first game of the year, then 2 points in the last game of the year then gets a ban, the player has been squeaky clean all year and maybe just grabs at a player when fatigued and it goes a bit high, he gets 2 points and therefore a ban, seems really harsh and does not reward those who do toe the line
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| Quote MR FRISK="MR FRISK"The Barrie McDermott elbow and Cassidy elbow would be a lifetime ban and possible jail spell if it happend today
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i get that we dont want to see that sort of play, although at the time, as a fan i was probably cheering , but equally, the game has been seriously sanitised from a foul play perspective, so dishing out big bans and punishing offenders more than once for the same offence (by accruing points) doesnt feel right to me. If it warrants a ban, then yes, ban the player but dont then say, if you commit another tackle that warrants a ban, then it almost instantly becomes a game extra from the previous one, even if it isnt as bad. Surely each ban should be based on that tackle
i also get that it will probably catch out low level offenders or "the he's got a good record" so he hasnt got a ban for previous good record (well he wont, if you let them off all the time), and they will eventually tot up enough points, so works for me on that front, | | |
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I think totting up makes sense for minor offences (e.g. a couple of offences by the same player which weren't quite enough for a ban on their own being combined to make a ban for a subsequent offence) but I think it falls down when you take serious ones into account (e.g. If a player commits a serious offence early in the season and cops a long ban, I don't think he should then automatically cop a massive ban for a minor offence later in the year).
Not sure I've explained that well. Example: someone does a Ben Flower in game 1 and gets a 12 match suspension (54 points). If he serves that then upon his return does a mistimed high tackle worth 1 point, I don't think he should get another 12 matches for it, but presumably he would do as he would be on 55 points.
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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"I think totting up makes sense for minor offences (e.g. a couple of offences by the same player which weren't quite enough for a ban on their own being combined to make a ban for a subsequent offence) but I think it falls down when you take serious ones into account (e.g. If a player commits a serious offence early in the season and cops a long ban, I don't think he should then automatically cop a massive ban for a minor offence later in the year).
Not sure I've explained that well. Example: someone does a Ben Flower in game 1 and gets a 12 match suspension (54 points). If he serves that then upon his return does a mistimed high tackle worth 1 point, I don't think he should get another 12 matches for it, but presumably he would do as he would be on 55 points.'"
Get your point and agree, but only half the previous points carry forward I think
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Grimmy Jukesays: Grimmy Grimmy":2c1499aj]I think totting up makes sense for minor offences (e.g. a couple of offences by the same player which weren't quite enough for a ban on their own being combined to make a ban for a subsequent offence) but I think it falls down when you take serious ones into account (e.g. If a player commits a serious offence early in the season and cops a long ban, I don't think he should then automatically cop a massive ban for a minor offence later in the year).
Not sure I've explained that well. Example: someone does a Ben Flower in game 1 and gets a 12 match suspension (54 points). If he serves that then upon his return does a mistimed high tackle worth 1 point, I don't think he should get another 12 matches for it, but presumably he would do as he would be on 55 points.[/quote:2c1499aj]
Get your point and agree, but only half the previous points carry forward I think
There's also other flaws but it's been a long day and I need to go to bed
I think we are all on the same pagehappy with low level offences totting up to eventually warrant a game or two ban, but dont punish players twice for tackle that warrants a ban, and then repeat for a low level offence afterwards i've also read that paying a fine can reduce the ban, so if a player is given a 5 game ban, then 1/2 of that will be reduce if they pay a fine. On the flip side, with Joe Shorrocks at weekend, he was given extra because the player he tackled (Croft i think) went off with head injury i just feel that it was a move in the right direction, but needs to be tweaked and simplified as we have made it too complicated and fans are going to be in uproar again about how it is being applied |
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Grimmy Jukesays: Grimmy Grimmy":2c1499aj]I think totting up makes sense for minor offences (e.g. a couple of offences by the same player which weren't quite enough for a ban on their own being combined to make a ban for a subsequent offence) but I think it falls down when you take serious ones into account (e.g. If a player commits a serious offence early in the season and cops a long ban, I don't think he should then automatically cop a massive ban for a minor offence later in the year).
Not sure I've explained that well. Example: someone does a Ben Flower in game 1 and gets a 12 match suspension (54 points). If he serves that then upon his return does a mistimed high tackle worth 1 point, I don't think he should get another 12 matches for it, but presumably he would do as he would be on 55 points.[/quote:2c1499aj]
Get your point and agree, but only half the previous points carry forward I think
There's also other flaws but it's been a long day and I need to go to bed
I think we are all on the same pagehappy with low level offences totting up to eventually warrant a game or two ban, but dont punish players twice for tackle that warrants a ban, and then repeat for a low level offence afterwards i've also read that paying a fine can reduce the ban, so if a player is given a 5 game ban, then 1/2 of that will be reduce if they pay a fine. On the flip side, with Joe Shorrocks at weekend, he was given extra because the player he tackled (Croft i think) went off with head injury i just feel that it was a move in the right direction, but needs to be tweaked and simplified as we have made it too complicated and fans are going to be in uproar again about how it is being applied | |
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