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| Whoever Wigan it will be a very tough game,every team left now is capable of beating each other.
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| Quote yickpie24="yickpie24"All the time - Lee Smith kicks Phil Bailey in the face, stays on the pitch and scores two tries at Headingley in 2009 (i think).
Yesterday Danny McGuire stiff arms Anderson, stays on the pitch and scores an important try.
Need I go on...'"
As pointed out elsewhere, surely the most blatant form of cheating is breaking the salary cap to either avoid relegation or win SL. Leeds are the only team that have won the title and never broke the cap.
As for on the field indiscretions. Every team has been guilty of those. Tomkins kicking McGuire has been highlighted and Lima had a few incidents last season that were not picked up at the time. All these though are examples of poor refereeing and not cheating. Wigan have the best example of cheating when breaking the cap to stay up.
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| Quote The Magic Rat="The Magic Rat"As pointed out elsewhere, surely the most blatant form of cheating is breaking the salary cap to either avoid relegation or win SL. Leeds are the only team that have won the title and never broke the cap.
As for on the field indiscretions. Every team has been guilty of those. Tomkins kicking McGuire has been highlighted and Lima had a few incidents last season that were not picked up at the time. All these though are examples of poor refereeing and not cheating. Wigan have the best example of cheating when breaking the cap to stay up.
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| Thanks for playing along with my silly dream lol. As I got both of my predictions wrong this weekend, I'll leave it there and wish you all the best for the rest of the play-offs. I'll be cheering on Wigan from here.
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| How come the word 'scum' only come up when discussions involve Leeds? That is to and from Leeds.
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| Quote Saville Row="Saville Row"As a Wire I wants Saints, motivation to right last week is all we need. Wigan won't pick Wire, we're beginning to be your bogey team.'"
Best thing to do with bogeys is to blow them out!
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| Quote The Magic Rat="The Magic Rat"As pointed out elsewhere, surely the most blatant form of cheating is breaking the salary cap to either avoid relegation or win SL. Leeds are the only team that have won the title and never broke the cap.
As for on the field indiscretions. Every team has been guilty of those. Tomkins kicking McGuire has been highlighted and Lima had a few incidents last season that were not picked up at the time. All these though are examples of poor refereeing and not cheating. Wigan have the best example of cheating when breaking the cap to stay up.
HTH'"
I like how you classify different levels of cheating and dis-regard your incidents as 'indiscretions'. Maybe McDermott can tell the RFL beaks at McGuire's disciplinary it was an 'indiscreation' and becuase Wigan broke the salary cap a few seasons ago (and were punished) they should let him off. I would'nt worry though Hetherington has the RFL in his top pocket!!
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| Quote yickpie24="yickpie24"I like how you classify different levels of cheating and dis-regard your incidents as 'indiscretions'. Maybe McDermott can tell the RFL beaks at McGuire's disciplinary it was an 'indiscreation' and becuase Wigan broke the salary cap a few seasons ago (and were punished) they should let him off. I would'nt worry though Hetherington has the RFL in his top pocket!!'"
How can you describe McGuires swinging arm as cheating? It was foul play for which he may or may not get a ban. In the same way as Lima trying to injure a players knee with a illegal tackle is foul play.
Breaking the cap to avoid relegation is cheating
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| Quote The Magic Rat="The Magic Rat"How can you describe McGuires swinging arm as cheating? It was foul play for which he may or may not get a ban. In the same way as Lima trying to injure a players knee with a illegal tackle is foul play.
Breaking the cap to avoid relegation is cheating'"
cheat
· v.
1 act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage. Ø deprive of something by deceitful or unfair means.
A shot to the head is definately cheating..... I would say thats it's "Unfair" at least....
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| Quote Wigan Peer="Wigan Peer"cheat
· v.
1 act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage. Ø deprive of something by deceitful or unfair means.
A shot to the head is definately cheating..... I would say thats it's "Unfair" at least....'"
Well quoted, Mcguire stayed on the field and scored an importnat try if I am not mistaken, cheating in anyones book.
Maybe it's the Gary Hetherington book of definitions circulating in Leeds that is confusing them!!
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| Quote The Magic Rat="The Magic Rat"How can you describe McGuires swinging arm as cheating? It was foul play for which he may or may not get a ban. In the same way as Lima trying to injure a players knee with a illegal tackle is foul play.
Breaking the cap to avoid relegation is cheating'"
I suppose you think Ryan Bailey is a clean player in Leeds, dear me!!
McGuire stiff armed a player, stayed on the pitch and scored an important try.
Mcllorum got sent off + a three game ban for a 'similar' incident.
No surprise Mr Thaler was refereeing on Friday and we all know the 'boo boo' (Stevo's words) he made in the CC semi.
I think your tryng to excuse foul play on the pitch as 'not' cheating...
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| Nobody is excusing what McGuire did it was a poor challenge just adding a little context to the situation.
It wasn't cheating in any sense.
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| Quote rhinos21="rhinos21"Nobody is excusing what McGuire did it was a poor challenge just adding a little context to the situation.
It wasn't cheating in any sense.'"
Surely, if you are penalized by the official, you have transgressed the rules... therefore you are cheating?
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| Quote Wigan Peer="Wigan Peer"Surely, if you are penalized by the official, you have transgressed the rules... therefore you are cheating?'"
Looking at it in black and white terms then yes you can however there needs to be an element of common sense in sport.
If McGuire gets banned then fair enough if not the same.
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| Quote rhinos21="rhinos21"Looking at it in black and white terms then yes you can however there needs to be an element of common sense in sport.
If McGuire gets banned then fair enough if not the same.'"
Rules are normally written in black and white, or is it different for Leeds?... I'm trying to understand what you are trying to say...
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| Quote Wigan Peer="Wigan Peer"Rules are normally written in black and white, or is it different for Leeds?... I'm trying to understand what you are trying to say...'"
They are however they are interpreted is why context is required. By your logic every player in super league is a cheat.
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| Ie anybody who can't see the difference between the mcillurom and McGuire challenges doesn't understand the game as peacock explained to Tomkins yesterday.
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| Quote rhinos21="rhinos21"Ie anybody who can't see the difference between the mcillurom and McGuire challenges doesn't understand the game as peacock explained to Tomkins yesterday.'"
Leeds gibberish  , stop skirting around the issue. Mcguire is as guilty as puppy sitting next to a pile of poo. He has cheated, foul play, transgressed the rules.
Which ever way you try to dress it up he cheated, the only difference in both tackles is that Anderson had the ball, both players in possession (Or not in Laffranchis case) got a stiff arm around the chops. Mcllorum got three games and 'sent off', if Mcguire doesn't get a least two games then the RFL will lose a lot of credability. He stayed on and scored a try, with Mr Thaler in charge...again!!!
It must be a Leeds thing, McDermott even tried to back McGuire up at the Club Call today "he is not that sort of player..he does'nt go on the field to do that sort of thing...the bloke slipped" do me a favour, McGuire is constantly niggling opposition then stands out the back as it erupts.
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| Lose credibility? The RFL don't have any left.
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| Quote yickpie24="yickpie24"Leeds gibberish
, stop skirting around the issue. Mcguire is as guilty as puppy sitting next to a pile of poo. He has cheated, foul play, transgressed the rules.
Which ever way you try to dress it up he cheated, the only difference in both tackles is that Anderson had the ball, both players in possession (Or not in Laffranchis case) got a stiff arm around the chops. Mcllorum got three games and 'sent off', if Mcguire doesn't get a least two games then the RFL will lose a lot of credability. He stayed on and scored a try, with Mr Thaler in charge...again!!!
It must be a Leeds thing, McDermott even tried to back McGuire up at the Club Call today "he is not that sort of player..he does'nt go on the field to do that sort of thing...the bloke slipped" do me a favour, McGuire is constantly niggling opposition then stands out the back as it erupts.'"
No jibberish, he was just defending his player. Do you complain when wane does that or is that different. You seem unable to distinguish between incidents.
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| Quote rhinos21="rhinos21"They are however they are interpreted is why context is required. By your logic every player in super league is a cheat.'"
No only Leeds ones.
As Brian Clough said to the Leeds United team you won nothing fair.
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| Quote tank123="tank123"No only Leeds ones.
As Brian Clough said to the Leeds United team you won nothing fair.'"
Pathetic
The same Leeds united team who were cheated out of 1975 European cup. Clough said plenty but most of it
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| Quote rhinos21="rhinos21"Pathetic
The same Leeds united team who were cheated out of 1975 European cup. Clough said plenty but most of it rubbish'"
Leeds got Cheated out of something well i never.
Think the RFL might get you an inquiry on that and get you a rematch with Thaler reffing.
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| Quote tank123="tank123"Leeds got Cheated out of something well i never.
Think the RFL might get you an inquiry on that and get you a rematch with Thaler reffing.'"
First of all you made a childish comment, then you bring another sport into for some reason which has no relevance.
Leeds rhinos are no worse than any other team on the pitch. You could talk about off the pitch cheating but that probably doesn't count does it.
On Leeds united its disrespectful to categorise one of the best English football sides of all time as cheats. If you educate yourself you will understand that but I don't expect you will be able to.
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| Quote rhinos21="rhinos21"They are however they are interpreted is why context is required. By your logic every player in super league is a cheat.'"
I would think that every player in RL will cheat given the opportunity, don't you? And by "every" i include Wigan and Leeds players, before you pull me up on that one.
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