Gleeson is still a great centre that any winger would love to play outside of. Will not be getting any grief off me we had are monies worth and now both parties have moved on.

We all have our own stories re: circumstances of Gleeson's leaving. My version would question the idea that it was entirely Smith's decision, as I understood Gleeson played his part. One of Smith's first acts when he took over was getting all the playing staff in the room and asking the lot of them to be honest and if ANYONE there didn't want to play for the club they should let it be known. ONE person didn't want to play for the club, and he got the move he wanted.

Remember the game at the stoop, king coffee beans game, every try that day was down our right side, Gleeson was at fault for a lot of them, i always think it was that game which made TS ask the question of Gleeson and his commitment.

I think there's almost two Gleeson's (well there are), what he gives you on the field is not in question but you have to weigh up that against what he doesn't give you off the field and without question his ethics didn't fit with the way we wanted to conduct ourselves or should I say Smith wanted our club to conduct themselves.



He'll be fine at Hull, where Agar is Cull-like, it'll suit him more to have a 'well as long as he does his stuff on the pitch, i'm not too bothered' sort of coach again. If Gleeson had played 20 years ago, he'd have loved it, he's very much the sort of 'win or lose on the booze' type it seems.



On the pitch, I thought he was excellent yesterday, constant threat.

His talent and ability is beyond question, which begs the question; what does he get up to off the field?

Bingo, he just plays Bingo constantly. Next time they're on SKY have a look, you can still see feint blobber marks on his hands.

Not sure why he wouldn't have wanted to play for the club, they had always been very fair to him. Think it may have been more to do with Smith not finding his off pitch behaviour acceptable.

TBF Agar (or the club) has shipped out King, Lee, Thackray, Raynor and Tansey all due in varying degrees to off the field issues.

You do have to ask how long big G will last then?

I think he has been made aware of that t.b.h.,if he keeps in line then no problem,if he doesn`t he will be shipped out.

Gleeson was never commited to Warrington, best bit of business Tony Smith did was to offload him to Wigan.

Harsh, although im no expert on all things wire, i remember that he had two good seasons in your shirt.

To quote Simon Moran in the south stand at the quinns game ."we don't let anyone go that we don't want to"

Fozzard wanted to stay at Warrington so when Saints got in touch and asked him what he wanted he said a figure double what Warrington were offering to put them off. Saints insisted he signed a three years contract and not the two he asked for.



Warrington told him he'd be mad to turn them down. I remember him actually shedding a tear after his last game for us. Fozzard was a real gem for us during a very bleak time.

I guess we must have black-mailed him to sign his contract extension then.

Hadn't we already agreed to release him for nothing from the final year of his contract to go to the NRL?



The fact that Wigan were willing to part with the best part of £150k and Richie Mathers for a player who was going for nothing a few months later was a bonus.

Writing was on the wall for him the day we signed him.



He just didn't want to be here, he got given a great chance at Wigan he won the Super League there plus the fans liked him, it was all set up for him but again he's let off the field crap get in the way.



Hope he gets left for dead by our lot tomorrow, was throwing up alot in the derby you have to wonder if his body can take the short turn around.

So why did he sign a contract extension?

£££££

You get more by letting your contract run out and starting a "bidding war". So again if he never wanted to be here why did he sign a contract extension?

You tell me then.



Guess he's a Wire Till He Dies *rolls eyes*

I think when Glees signed the extension that he actually wanted to be here and thought we were going places. I just don't think he was prepared to wait for the success or change to suit TS style of management.

Was it under Cullen or Lowes that he signed the new deal?

It was under Cullen and we'd just signed Matt King, so he had good reason to think things would happen we he signed. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 095097.stm

It was under Cullen and we'd just signed Matt King, so he had good reason to think things would happen we he signed. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 095097.stm

I don't remember any anti-Gleeson hate while he was still a player with us, if you go back to Gleeson's final season in 2008, supposedly four full years after he "didn't want to be here", most of the hate from Wire fans was directed towards Matt King and Michael Monaghan, there were fans on here who were saying they'd pay for their tickets to go back home, coming over here on big deals ripping off the fans...



When Gleeson was here, our fans thought he was great, remember we had probably the slowest starting winger in SL at the time in Fa'afili, who was up at the top of the try scoring charts every year, a lot of our own fans criticised him despite him scoring all those tries, calling him 'fairy feet', the usual line was "well ANYBODY could score a load outside Gleeson, he's just that good a centre". The discussion regarding his future here was never "should we get rid", it was "will we be able to keep him or will he go to the NRL". It was after he was gone, that all of this "he was no good anyway" talk started.



In fact if you went back to the 2008 World Cup, I reckon there would be a few posters on here who would be embarrassed about their opinions at the time, because I remember us talking about how Gleeson was England's best player, and how Tony Smith had been proven to be not the man for us, given how out of clueless he was picking guys like Paul Sykes.