Fact is that if there is no buyer then the Bulls go into liquidation and there is no longer a club. The RFL can say the Bulls will fulfill their fixtures but in reality this simply won't happen. Everything will be sold.



The prospect of a newco then appearing would depend on whether it could be profitable or at least break even. Any new Bradford club playing outside SL would never be able to afford to play at Odsal or Valley Parade unless the rent was a tiny fraction of what it is now. The income streams at the lower end of the game are much lower than in SL (less sponsorship, lower attendances).



In short I can't see how a newco could start a new club unless it got some sort of deal on the ground or it becomes a non starter. Even if it did I would be amazed if a new club could even break even.



There's still a real possibility of no Bulls club at all. So the gleeful fans of other clubs may yet see Bradford's demise and any arguments about a newco starting in lower divisions will be academic as it simply won't happen

Amen to that, and also the numpties trying to somehow make any sort of direct comparison with the Bulls situation, and Rangers, are either trolling, or need their heads testing. The cases are about as comparable as a disorderly drunk and Crippen.

Er why???



Rangers = went bust and reformed as a New Co.



Bradford Bulls = going bust and may come back as a New Co



Sounds similar to me.



Remember this is about the integrity of sport as it should be focused on not allowing clubs to walk away from their responsibilities like paying the taxman and not trading illegally by running the club while insolvent.



Hey I hope for you fans that you will still have a RL club to support in Bradford, but don't ignore what your club has done it is not right and also remeber who did and did not get a Franbchise last year when this must have been known about!!!

erm, yes

Is it? Is it really about integrity of sport? is it really about not allowing clubs to walk away from their responsibility like paying the taxman or trading illegally by running a club whilst insolvent (btw a club whose biggest shareholder is a notoriously litigious lawyer is definitely the one to be accusing of illegal activity when you have no evidence of such practice, he doesnt mind at all when people mistakenly accusing of breaking the law, big fan of it I've heard), is it really about those things or is it about Bradford being judged a better bet than Halifax and most people agreeing with it and you are indulging in some pretty pathetic schadenfreude?

I think we have an answer.

Dunno what you are on about here but you keep your head in that sand as that is where it is.

Hey don't worry Fat Controller Nigel is from Bradford he will look after you - while he wrecks the game of RL completely.

As for you being a better bet than us, is that based on fans I guess? well when you give your season tickets away for £60 and are in SL while we are in the Championship of course you have more fans than us you plank.

My bet is you will come out of this smelling of roses yet it stinks you are bust end of story.

Smokey TA is a Leeds fan.

says a lot really still got the same blinkers on I am afraid.

I trust you were as vociferous as this a little over a decade ago when Halifax failed to fulfill their obligations. Partisan and pompous bull about the "integrity of sport" wasn't much in evidence; and the brotherhood of Rugby League meant very little too: Fax owed significant amounts to other Super League clubs when they went under. I seem to recall your club weren't kicked out of Super League (they managed to kick themselves out soon enough). Times change huh.

Er and you know this little story is true do you got facts to prove this???

We DID NOT GO UNDER, we went under a new regime (same company) who decided to reduce our wage bill to a level that meant we had a very poor team and got deservedly relegated. In other words we took our medecine and are still on the recovery table all these years later.

Why won't Bradford do this???

We all know why - Franchises means they may not get back into SL as its not what goes on the pitch that gets you into SL its who greases up to the Fat Controller the most who does.



By the way the game has NO INTEGRITY, you can even ask none RL fans what they think and they will tell you its a very badly run game now and has become a joke with even fellow fans bickering to suit their own clubs ends like now!

That Halifax were forced into in a CVA in 2000 is hardly a secret.

A CVA stopped the club from going under. The creditiors agreed to it, or most did. So at least they got some of the money back they owed. And you are right, it isnt a secret.

So Fax fans berating Bradford fans for their club "walking away from their obligations" is somewhat hypocritical? Moreso as Fax owed Leeds and Wigan tens of thousands of pounds in transfer fees which, AFAIK, is not the case at the Bulls. That Halifax managed to pay pennies in the pound through the mechanism of a CVA is a moot point IMO.

Do you have a link that shows Fax owed the money you have stated to Leeds and Wigan?



What ever debt Fax had, they paid what was agreed and came out of the CVA. They didn't "go bust" as you stated. They were close however, and they then cut costs accordingly.

No it isn't.

I know the difference between a CVA and what the Bulls are proposing to do. The net result in both cases is that creditors will lose out. Fax also dismissed staff, including the coaching team, made redundancies in back office, subsequently appealed to fans for £100k etc etc.



There is limited information floating around out there about the details of the CVA, but if you search through RSRL there is reference to it. IIRC Leeds were one of the creditors who voted against the CVA, Fax still owing them for Graham Holroyd's transfer fee.



At the time I happened to work with the most prominent Fax fan on these boards, in his day, and got blow by blow accounts of the unfolding Blue Sox disaster; it was not pretty and no one took any delight in it - it seems this is not the case today.

Don't be. Everything's going to be fine.

So you don't have anything to back up your statements? Ok we can ignore them then.

And just to correct you yet again, when fax entered the CVA they didn't appeal to fans for donations. This was in 2006, when the needed to make up a shortfall in finances to see the season out. The majority of this money was given by our ex chairmen Howard Posner.

Quote a.n Other="a.n Other"So you don't have anything to back up your statements? Ok we can ignore them then. '" You can do what you like chief, not my problem if you want to be in denial about Halifax's state back in the day. The Evening Courier notes the position in this subsequent assessment of Holroyd: www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/da ... -1-1961512 Quote a.n Other="a.n Other"And just to correct you yet again, when fax entered the CVA they didn't appeal to fans for donations. This was in 2006, when the needed to make up a shortfall in finances to see the season out. The majority of this money was given by our ex chairmen Howard Posner.'" You can "correct" me all you like but it seems you know your own club less well than I do - as I noted above, they subsequently appealed for £100k. That was in 2001, when they were still in the CVA: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 454156.stm

Quote a.n Other="a.n Other"So you don't have anything to back up your statements? Ok we can ignore them then. '" You can do what you like chief, not my problem if you want to be in denial about Halifax's state back in the day. The Evening Courier notes the position in this subsequent assessment of Holroyd: www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/da ... -1-1961512 Quote a.n Other="a.n Other"And just to correct you yet again, when fax entered the CVA they didn't appeal to fans for donations. This was in 2006, when the needed to make up a shortfall in finances to see the season out. The majority of this money was given by our ex chairmen Howard Posner.'" You can "correct" me all you like but it seems you know your own club less well than I do - as I noted above, they subsequently appealed for £100k. That was in 2001, when they were still in the CVA: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 454156.stm

Quote MjM="MjM"You can do what you like chief, not my problem if you want to be in denial about Halifax's state back in the day. The Evening Courier notes the position in this subsequent assessment of Holroyd: www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/da ... -1-1961512 You can "correct" me all you like but it seems you know your own club less well than I do - as I noted above, they subsequently appealed for £100k. That was in 2001, when they were still in the CVA: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 454156.stm'" I stand corrected on the appeal for money. I honestly can not remember that at all, so my appologies. As for money owed to Leeds and Wigan, where does it state that they were both owed 10's of thousands of pounds?

Quote MjM="MjM"You can do what you like chief, not my problem if you want to be in denial about Halifax's state back in the day. The Evening Courier notes the position in this subsequent assessment of Holroyd: www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/da ... -1-1961512 You can "correct" me all you like but it seems you know your own club less well than I do - as I noted above, they subsequently appealed for £100k. That was in 2001, when they were still in the CVA: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 454156.stm'" I stand corrected on the appeal for money. I honestly can not remember that at all, so my appologies. As for money owed to Leeds and Wigan, where does it state that they were both owed 10's of thousands of pounds?

A CVA for a few hundred thousand is a lot different to over £1.5 million plus how did we owe Leeds and Wigan owt when there are no transfer fees any more that article is typical journo rubbish???

Bradford owe the TAXMAN huge sums not some local traders. Plus we appelaed to our own fans to get us out of the mire and we did.

You aint comparing apples with apples here

Holroyd had a year of his contract to run, hence a transfer fee was paid - IIRC from the Leeds accounts of the time this was £50k, most of which appeared also as a subsequent bad debt. Failing to pay fellow Rugby League clubs and local traders is in my view worse than failing to pay HMRC but the difference is somewhat irrelevant.



Fax did not get "out of the mire" with no loss to others. They used a CVA and did not pay their creditors in full. Bradford look to be going a prepack route. Either way people owed money will lose out.

My family and quite a few friends lost a fair amount of money with the Halifax shambles

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Wish fellow Halifax fans would get real and realise we are nowhere near ready enough to step up to SL. Let our Flat Capped Friends step up instead

Widnes went into admin less than 3 years ago, so Halifax have every chance of replacing the Bulls

Way off. 2007 is not "less than 3 years ago. "